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Is Obama Guilty of Treason to America?

Is Obama Guilty of Treason to America?

Obama has done a number of things that make many of us question whether his loyalties lie with America or whether they lie elsewhere.

What do you think? Is Obama Guilty of Treason to America?


For clarification, I am not looking at this from a legal standpoint. I have no desire to bring Obama to court for treason. It would be a waste of time, it would take too long and by the time it got to court he would have completely destroyed the country.

I want us -- the American people to make that judgment. I want us to take our country back by whatever means necessary. I would hope it wouldn't have to come to violence but you know it will. Those in power will never voluntarily relinquish that power.


(Per Macai's comment following this post) Is that better, Macai?


Treason Definitions

trea⋅son
/ˈtrizən/ [tree-zuhn]
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–noun
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
Origin:
1175–1225; ME tre(i)so(u)n < AF; OF traïson < L trāditiōn- (s. of trāditiō) a handing over, betrayal. See tradition

Synonyms:
1. Treason, sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government. Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one's government. Sedition is any act, writing, speech, etc., directed unlawfully against state authority, the government, or constitution, or calculated to bring it into contempt or to incite others to hostility, ill will or disaffection; it does not amount to treason and therefore is not a capital offense. 2. See disloyalty.




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RE: Is Obama Guilty of Treason to America?

Are you asking if he would be found guilty of treason in an unbiased court of law?

See, if we were to take Obama to court over this, we'd have to go by the legal definition of treason, which happens to be:

The Constitution, Article III, Section 3 Wrote:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

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A case could be made for giving our enemies aid and comfort, since Obama's defended communist dictators. Thing is, we'd have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these states really are enemies of the United States. This would be difficult, since, to the best of my understanding, we don't have a public, official record of who is an enemy of the United States and who is not.


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RE: Is Obama Guilty of Treason to America?

Macai, I wasn't going by the legal definition of treason but rather by the dictionary definitions of treason. That's why I posted the dictionary definitions of treason.

I forgot to include a link to the source, though, so I'll do that now.



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RE: Is Obama Guilty of Treason to America?

YES HE IS GUILTY OF TREASON. HE'S A MEMBER OF THE CFR AND THE GLOBALIST BANKER'S RIGHT HAND MAN.

06-30-2009 09:06 AM
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RE: Is Obama Guilty of Treason to America?

The Wolf Star Wrote:
Macai, I wasn't going by the legal definition of treason but rather by the dictionary definitions of treason. That's why I posted the dictionary definitions of treason.

I forgot to include a link to the source, though, so I'll do that now.

When you use the terms "guilty" and "of" in this way, it usually implies a legal offense, which is why I asked.

Regardless, the answer is then no.

He is not acting to overthrow the government. If anything he's trying to strengthen it. He's not trying to kill America's sovereign either, since America has no sovereign, and the closest thing to one it has is the President, which he is. I don't see how he's betraying a trust or a confidence, nor do I think he's breaching a faith.


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RE: Is Obama Guilty of Treason to America?

Macai Wrote:
I don't see how he's betraying a trust or a confidence, nor do I think he's breaching a faith.


He's betraying the trust of the American people that elected him to office. More and more of them do NOT trust this man as time goes on and he's only been in office for 6 months now. The more he does in action, not word, the more he lies and schemes and connives, the more the people who once trusted him will no longer trust him.

He has, on more than one occasion, shown more alliance to other nations than he does for his own. (If this is his own. He still hasn't come up with a legitimate birth certificate.) This is certainly breaching the faith of the Americans he is supposed to represent.

Like I said I don't think it's a legal issue yet and some of what he does that I consider traitorous is actually Constitutional under the treaty clause. But to even consider the outlandish gun legislation in the CIFTA treaty is outrageous. Gun owners can be extradited to European countries???!!! And to want to include us in United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child is beyond belief. This isn't Communist China or Stalin's Soviet Union. It's America and here we believe that parenting should be in the hands of the parents -- not the state.

Read this, and this time really read it, Macai, and then tell me you don't think this budding dictator isn't betraying the welfare of the American people. Wake up, America, and Smell the Dictatorship Part II



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RE: Is Obama Guilty of Treason to America?

Maggie,Our government is in fact,a constitutional republic. To the best of my knowledge,the individual citizen in a constitutional republic would have to be defined as the 'sovereign' of that republic,right? So if you look at things in that context,all of our Presidents since Reagan(who was stricken w/alzheimers and ceded control to neo-con elements in his 2nd term,imo) could be defined as 'traitors'. Since Obama is following the 'new word order' type of globalist agenda of the last 3 of his predecessors, and is willing to follow a global order in favor of the U.S.Constitution, the answer would have to be yes, he is a traitor.

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RE: Is Obama Guilty of Treason to America?

The Wolf Star Wrote:

Macai Wrote:
I don't see how he's betraying a trust or a confidence, nor do I think he's breaching a faith.


He's betraying the trust of the American people that elected him to office. More and more of them do NOT trust this man as time goes on and he's only been in office for 6 months now. The more he does in action, not word, the more he lies and schemes and connives, the more the people who once trusted him will no longer trust him.

He has, on more than one occasion, shown more alliance to other nations than he does for his own. (If this is his own. He still hasn't come up with a legitimate birth certificate.) This is certainly breaching the faith of the Americans he is supposed to represent.

Like I said I don't think it's a legal issue yet and some of what he does that I consider traitorous is actually Constitutional under the treaty clause. But to even consider the outlandish gun legislation in the CIFTA treaty is outrageous. Gun owners can be extradited to European countries???!!! And to want to include us in United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child is beyond belief. This isn't Communist China or Stalin's Soviet Union. It's America and here we believe that parenting should be in the hands of the parents -- not the state.

Read this, and this time really read it, Macai, and then tell me you don't think this budding dictator isn't betraying the welfare of the American people. Wake up, America, and Smell the Dictatorship Part II


Hi,Maggie---That last 'guest' entry was mine. Ed

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RE: Is Obama Guilty of Treason to America?

Guest=Ed Wrote:
Maggie,Our government is in fact,a constitutional republic. To the best of my knowledge,the individual citizen in a constitutional republic would have to be defined as the 'sovereign' of that republic,right? So if you look at things in that context,all of our Presidents since Reagan(who was stricken w/alzheimers and ceded control to neo-con elements in his 2nd term,imo) could be defined as 'traitors'. Since Obama is following the 'new word order' type of globalist agenda of the last 3 of his predecessors, and is willing to follow a global order in favor of the U.S.Constitution, the answer would have to be yes, he is a traitor.


Hey Ed! Long time no see and very good to hear from you. I believe what you said (as a guest) was correct. When I look at this through the eyes of a less emotional human being, who is outraged at our current abomination, as well as those nwos who preceded him, I start to get more honest with myself. That's when I think, but how many of them ever, from the beginning, actually followed the Constitution and limited their reign to the dictates of that Constitution? Not a whole lot. By that definition they all (or the overwhelming majority of them) were traitors.

On the other hand, this one has introduced such a radical agenda that I can honestly say I have never seen anything like it. He has managed to surpass the worst dictators America has ever seen including Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln. And he is in some kind of overdrive, it seems, to destroy what's left of our country. If he doesn't do it through the signing away of our soveignty to the UN and European govenrments he will do it by spending so money that he'll wreck us economically.

No president in the history of the US as far as I know, has threatened America the way this one is.



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RE: Is Obama Guilty of Treason to America?

I can't tell you how much I agree with this. I hate to come across as a conspiracy speculator but what I hear and see from this guy just doesn't add up. I know you will think I'm an idiot and so will everyone else, but I think he is a closet muslim hell bent on destroying the United States from the inside out, and it started a long time ago. The best way to do it would be to spend us into an unrecoverable debt and trash the healthcare system into oblivion. In my opinion all his focus should be toward ecomomic recovery and then worry about the other stuff. But it's not. This guy is no good and American's made a major mistake by electing him. I don't trust this guy whatsoever.

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